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	<title>Comments on: 2009 Baseball Hall of Fame &#8211; My Vote</title>
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		<title>By: jojo</title>
		<link>http://badwax.net/2008/12/02/2009-baseball-hall-of-fame-my-vote/#comment-2173</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LEgal in the Dominican Republic and Panama....wonder if Mariano ever tried them......that was what the last line of my post was supposed to say]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LEgal in the Dominican Republic and Panama&#8230;.wonder if Mariano ever tried them&#8230;&#8230;that was what the last line of my post was supposed to say</p>
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		<title>By: jojo</title>
		<link>http://badwax.net/2008/12/02/2009-baseball-hall-of-fame-my-vote/#comment-2172</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JOSE CANSECO WROTE THAT EIGHTY PERCENT OF BALLPLAYERS WERE ON STEROIDS WHEN HE PLAYED&gt;  Other PLAYERS HAVE SAID IT WAS MORE LIKE NINTY PERCENT.  WHEN CANSECO TOLD THE TRUTH, HE WAS ROUNDLY VILLIFIED BY A PRESS CORE THAT WAS SO BAD, IT DIDN&quot;T SEE THE MONSTER STORY RIGHT UNDERNEATH ITS NOSE.  I was playing softball in the early 80&#039;s and half the local town teams were jacked up......I worked in a jail for teenage seious fleons, and and THEY were all jacked up....  The steroid problem got worse and worse until Congress finally had to get involved......To single out McGwire for steroid use is silly, although he probably took them....as did the pitchers he faced, and the batters on the other teams he competed against......Tommy John gained 30 pounds of muscle in teh late 80&#039;s IN ONE WINTER (at the age of 45) because the Yankees wouldn&#039;t consider him for another season if he didn&#039;t......half the Mets tried them........Tom House says people were trying them in the 60&#039;s, but they weren&#039;t called steroids then........what if it comes out that Kirby Puckett, Cal Ripken, Jeter, Andre Dawson, Mattingly (who also bulked up quickly in one winter), and other All-American tyoes tried them...then what?   Are ya gonna kick them out?   THEY WEREN&quot;T AGAINST THE RULES BACK THEN.......if a guy dominated the opposition like McGwire did, he deserves in...steroids or no, and by the way, steroids were (and probably still are) LEGAL ever tried them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOSE CANSECO WROTE THAT EIGHTY PERCENT OF BALLPLAYERS WERE ON STEROIDS WHEN HE PLAYED&gt;  Other PLAYERS HAVE SAID IT WAS MORE LIKE NINTY PERCENT.  WHEN CANSECO TOLD THE TRUTH, HE WAS ROUNDLY VILLIFIED BY A PRESS CORE THAT WAS SO BAD, IT DIDN&#8221;T SEE THE MONSTER STORY RIGHT UNDERNEATH ITS NOSE.  I was playing softball in the early 80&#8242;s and half the local town teams were jacked up&#8230;&#8230;I worked in a jail for teenage seious fleons, and and THEY were all jacked up&#8230;.  The steroid problem got worse and worse until Congress finally had to get involved&#8230;&#8230;To single out McGwire for steroid use is silly, although he probably took them&#8230;.as did the pitchers he faced, and the batters on the other teams he competed against&#8230;&#8230;Tommy John gained 30 pounds of muscle in teh late 80&#8242;s IN ONE WINTER (at the age of 45) because the Yankees wouldn&#8217;t consider him for another season if he didn&#8217;t&#8230;&#8230;half the Mets tried them&#8230;&#8230;..Tom House says people were trying them in the 60&#8242;s, but they weren&#8217;t called steroids then&#8230;&#8230;..what if it comes out that Kirby Puckett, Cal Ripken, Jeter, Andre Dawson, Mattingly (who also bulked up quickly in one winter), and other All-American tyoes tried them&#8230;then what?   Are ya gonna kick them out?   THEY WEREN&#8221;T AGAINST THE RULES BACK THEN&#8230;&#8230;.if a guy dominated the opposition like McGwire did, he deserves in&#8230;steroids or no, and by the way, steroids were (and probably still are) LEGAL ever tried them?</p>
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		<title>By: bud</title>
		<link>http://badwax.net/2008/12/02/2009-baseball-hall-of-fame-my-vote/#comment-2131</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim Raines had 2600 hits and 800 stolen bases!

He should be in!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Raines had 2600 hits and 800 stolen bases!</p>
<p>He should be in!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree about the steriods issue precluding someone from the hall. 
Lets face facts here, Barry Bonds is going to the HOF.

Steroids was a part of the game for reasons too complicated to place blame on a few persons. Sure the owners never injected their players, but certainly didn&#039;t do anything for a long time and definitely turned a blind eye at first when they knew it was happening... it was after all, at the time, good for baseball. Just hang with me for a minute,
Remember the 1998 homerun race between Sosa and McGwire? That did so much for baseball fans, especially after the beating it took during the strike of 94&#039;. 

McGwire and Sosa were the heroes for so many during this time and the focus of so much adoration during that record breaking season. 

In closing, the Hall is for all the future fans of the game to recognize and pay respects to the superstars of generations before their time. McGwire was VERY much a superstar of his time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree about the steriods issue precluding someone from the hall.<br />
Lets face facts here, Barry Bonds is going to the HOF.</p>
<p>Steroids was a part of the game for reasons too complicated to place blame on a few persons. Sure the owners never injected their players, but certainly didn&#8217;t do anything for a long time and definitely turned a blind eye at first when they knew it was happening&#8230; it was after all, at the time, good for baseball. Just hang with me for a minute,<br />
Remember the 1998 homerun race between Sosa and McGwire? That did so much for baseball fans, especially after the beating it took during the strike of 94&#8242;. </p>
<p>McGwire and Sosa were the heroes for so many during this time and the focus of so much adoration during that record breaking season. </p>
<p>In closing, the Hall is for all the future fans of the game to recognize and pay respects to the superstars of generations before their time. McGwire was VERY much a superstar of his time.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredrico</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Henderson goes in, but in could be close for Rice &amp; Dawson.
Blyleven &amp; Raines maybe. Tommy John surgery should make up the missing 12 wins for Tommy John. Not only did Tommy have 288 Wins most not in the HOF eligible, but he will forever be tied to changing baseball history with his landmark surgery. He also had a 2.65ERA in 88.1 innings with a 6-3 post season record.
McGwire will never get in until he says he is sorry and goes on Larry King, Barbara Walters etc etc and cries and cries. What were his lawyer&#039;s thinking ? He should have gotten a bad cold the day before the Senate hearings. Advice to Big Mac &gt;Hey you can always blame it on Canseco: he talked me into it, blah blah blah. The writers want to see remorse and they want you to grovel.You don&#039;t have Sammy Sosa&#039;s smile &amp; charm. He might be able to get away with it, but you can&#039;t. 
 300 saves shouldn&#039;t be a bench mark. Are you going to put in J.Montgomery,R.Myers,J.Wetteland,T.Henke,R.Nen,
J.Reardon,R.Aguilera &amp; D.Jones in the HOF just because they have 300+SVs ? Those are just the current 5yr+ eligible ones in the 300+SV club as there are still active &amp; retired less than 5yr guys also members. Lee Smith&#039;s 478SVs is impressive, but in the context of the closer&#039;s role changing,it is not as impressive as Gossage,Fingers &amp; Sutter getting a much larger portion of their 300+SV in 2 &amp; 3 IP saves than Smith &amp; even more so with the current crop of closers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henderson goes in, but in could be close for Rice &amp; Dawson.<br />
Blyleven &amp; Raines maybe. Tommy John surgery should make up the missing 12 wins for Tommy John. Not only did Tommy have 288 Wins most not in the HOF eligible, but he will forever be tied to changing baseball history with his landmark surgery. He also had a 2.65ERA in 88.1 innings with a 6-3 post season record.<br />
McGwire will never get in until he says he is sorry and goes on Larry King, Barbara Walters etc etc and cries and cries. What were his lawyer&#8217;s thinking ? He should have gotten a bad cold the day before the Senate hearings. Advice to Big Mac &gt;Hey you can always blame it on Canseco: he talked me into it, blah blah blah. The writers want to see remorse and they want you to grovel.You don&#8217;t have Sammy Sosa&#8217;s smile &amp; charm. He might be able to get away with it, but you can&#8217;t.<br />
 300 saves shouldn&#8217;t be a bench mark. Are you going to put in J.Montgomery,R.Myers,J.Wetteland,T.Henke,R.Nen,<br />
J.Reardon,R.Aguilera &amp; D.Jones in the HOF just because they have 300+SVs ? Those are just the current 5yr+ eligible ones in the 300+SV club as there are still active &amp; retired less than 5yr guys also members. Lee Smith&#8217;s 478SVs is impressive, but in the context of the closer&#8217;s role changing,it is not as impressive as Gossage,Fingers &amp; Sutter getting a much larger portion of their 300+SV in 2 &amp; 3 IP saves than Smith &amp; even more so with the current crop of closers.</p>
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